Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

The place to discuss everything but soccer
User avatar
JDE
Youth Team
Youth Team
Posts: 1870
Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:56 pm
Location: Brantford - Now in the absolute middle of nowhere - please parachute food and medicine

Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by JDE » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:50 am

With the obvious decline of membership participation here I’m well aware that I’m essentially just writing this for my own narcissistic contemplative musings… still though, I am vigorously and morbidly obsessed with how abruptly the world we have grown to know and exist within is changing.

Our own lethargic ways and need for instant gratification, transactions and social media recognition are symptoms and a by-product of a new emergence of technology replacing the need for our own individuality.

Not to sound apocalyptic; but it’s pretty crazy how we have essentially drawn a blueprint for our own inefficient demise. :shock:

As an individual, in club career, he is up there. His legacy for Poland is dismal. I'd even say Ebi. Smolarek was a better striker for Poland - Marty on Lewandowski

You've nevee bought a Thai kit u don't know the quality - Prancer on fashion

User avatar
polish hooligan
Posts: 322
Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:28 pm
Contact:

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by polish hooligan » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:46 am

Quality post

User avatar
lewandowskielbasa
Posts: 565
Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:33 pm

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by lewandowskielbasa » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:00 am

Let me check video later but I think this will result in more depression/suicide. Not to sidetrack but there has also been an increase over the past 25 years in middle class shootings by individuals we would classify today as incels.

In simplest terms I think this new era is just wider spread welfare. More people living simply as pets of the wealthy. I dunno, I've personally never lived hungry so I strive for more meaning in life.

Then you have the entire debate of why are we so worried over decreasing birth rates when this is on the horizon. I think it would be wise to pause the migrant importing til we have a taste of this new automated era first.


Sidenote: I should probably start a thread on Brexit and specifically its affect on Poles returning to the fatherland

User avatar
JDE
Youth Team
Youth Team
Posts: 1870
Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:56 pm
Location: Brantford - Now in the absolute middle of nowhere - please parachute food and medicine

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by JDE » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:04 pm

:lol: :lol: Kielbasa your thoughts and mind are in so many different tangents that I started to write something, read your shit, and ultimately lost all my memory like that dude in memento :lol:

Actually, what a great fuckin flick that was, let's watch a trailer of it for the sake of fuckin watching something. :mrgreen:

As an individual, in club career, he is up there. His legacy for Poland is dismal. I'd even say Ebi. Smolarek was a better striker for Poland - Marty on Lewandowski

You've nevee bought a Thai kit u don't know the quality - Prancer on fashion

User avatar
JDE
Youth Team
Youth Team
Posts: 1870
Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:56 pm
Location: Brantford - Now in the absolute middle of nowhere - please parachute food and medicine

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by JDE » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:06 pm

Polish Politics in a nutshell pertaining the recent conference on Peace and Security in the Middle east hosted in Wawa :roll:

"- najpierw amerykańska dziennikarka żydowskiego pochodzenia stwierdza, że Żydzi podczas powstania walczyli z polskim i niemieckim reżimem.
- następnie członek Partii Republikańskiej Mike Pompeo stwierdza, że Polacy powinni zwrócić majątek Żydom, którzy stracili go podczas Holocaustu.
- ten sam Pan w kolejnej wypowiedzi chwali "niezłomny polski duch", a za przykład podaje Franka Bleichmana - ubeka pochodzenia żydowskiego, który m.in. mordował żołnierzy AK, oskarżony jest też o popełnienie zbrodni stalinowskich.
- Netanyahu spóźnia się godzinę na spotkanie z Morawieckim.
- Na koniec szczytu Netanyahu dodaje, że naród polski kooperował z reżimem nazistowskim w mordowaniu Żydów podczas Holocaustu.
- Arabia Saudyjska w podzięce za zorganizowanie szczytu wprowadziła embargo na wołowinę z Polski

I to wszystko w Warszawie. Zaprosiliśmy gości na polecenie naszego wielkiego sojusznika a ten sojusznik i goście zesrali nam się na dywan. Ale ważne, że lewactwo dupa boli."
As an individual, in club career, he is up there. His legacy for Poland is dismal. I'd even say Ebi. Smolarek was a better striker for Poland - Marty on Lewandowski

You've nevee bought a Thai kit u don't know the quality - Prancer on fashion

User avatar
JDE
Youth Team
Youth Team
Posts: 1870
Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:56 pm
Location: Brantford - Now in the absolute middle of nowhere - please parachute food and medicine

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by JDE » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:11 pm

I personally think one of the major modern problems facing Poland is the lack of English written media conveying our narrative to the World.

Foreign press can write whatever their hearts desire and we have no rebuttal whatsoever internationally.

Yeah, I get it, under a foreign boot till 89, still plenty of time to establish an English speaking print media that can counteract the dubious bullshit I have to read each time I search for Polish news on Google.

Look at Israel to see how to corner this market.

The English language is essentially the internet throughout, barring places like China, though not discounting their VPN access.

You cannot truly have significance or a presence on the internet without having the vehicle to drive English speaking opinion pieces from highly educated individuals that get picked up by foreign media and redistributed throughout the associated press.

I see somebody at PIS woke up and created Poland>In or what the fuck ever they call that initiative.

It’s so far a weak attempt that just recycles Polish news and doesn’t bring forth much of substance.

You need individuals to poignantly express themselves with opinion pieces and make a case in the international world of public opinion that is the internet.

Go ahead and search Poland in the Google news repository and tell me how balanced those results are when it pertains favorability for us and against in major publications that get consumed throughout this planet.

Anyway, rant mode over, good read here:

When Poland agreed to host a Middle East conference in Warsaw, on February 13-14, it expected some flak from Muslim countries, in particular Iran, a cold shoulder from the European Union, and, of course, scathing criticism from Russia and, perhaps, China. What the Polish hosts did not expect were attacks and hectoring from the United States, Israel, and the liberal media. What was billed as a “Middle East” summit quickly turned into a lecture on the Second World War.

Poland bent over backward to accommodate the wishes of Washington, DC, to hold the conference despite the opposition of Brussels, Moscow, Beijing, Tehran, and other actors. To show its loyalty and solidarity, Poland took America’s support for granted. In return, some American officials and reporters insulted the Poles. Warsaw was utterly unprepared for the wave of resentment and ignorance from its allies. We shall return to this below. First, let us look at, shall we say, Poland’s non-allies.

Already in the run-up to the conference, Iran predictably flew off the handle. It charged Poland with warmongering at the dictates of the “Zionists” and their American “lackeys.” “Warsaw circus” was a more diplomatic description of the event. Tehran imposed visa and economic sanctions against Poland, which so far have impacted visiting scholars and tourists as well as a number of Polish companies. The ayatollahs also threatened a nuclear war—a permanent feature of their rhetorical repertoire which elicited a long, bored snore from Tel Aviv but was a rude jolt for Warsaw nonetheless.
China more calmly raised the question of economic benefits in its relationship with Poland. The Poles simply cannot afford to miss out on Beijing’s economic largess. Russia gracelessly sneered: “the Americans will fight to the last Pole,” again questioning the US commitment to NATO in central and eastern Europe. Further, the EU gave the Warsaw conference its cold shoulder by giving it low priority. Essentially, Brussels boycotted the summit. The icy treatment continued a day later when the participants changed the venue to Munich. Over the weekend, at the conference, Vice President Mike Pence made little progress convincing his European audience of the benefits of ratcheting up sanctions against Iran. At the same conference on European security, Joe Biden, who is again considering a run for the presidency, received a standing ovation for slamming US foreign policy in the Middle East.


Blows from the Americans

The Polish government took it all rather stoically. However, it positively turned grim at the blows the Poles received from the Americans in short succession before and during the conference. These offensive and impolitic acts against their Polish hosts by the United States and Israel completely overshadowed and nullified the purpose of the conference in the eyes of the Polish public.

First, right before the meeting, in another of a series of missteps following the submission of her credentials, US Ambassador Georgette Mosbacher, a Republican Party fundraiser who made her money in cosmetics, demanded that Poland turn over 300,000 pages of documents regarding the Holocaust from the state archives of the Institute of National Remembrance (IPN) yearly. This request is beyond the Polish capacity to process in such a short time. There are no funds and no manpower. The rumors spread of the American envoy’s manifestly flamboyant haughtiness and her allegedly muted threats regarding the durability of the US-Poland alliance in case of Polish noncompliance. Such ultimatums are hardly diplomatic. Whether or not Mosbacher’s infamous churlishness was exemplified here is of secondary importance. For the prickly Poles, who remember all too well the many foreign occupations and ham-fisted ways of alien representatives in Warsaw, the perception of an envoy lacking in tact is enough to cause them to recoil. Mosbacher’s chumminess with the post-Communist and liberal establishment does not sit well with their government officials and much of the public. A research grant would go a long way to accommodate the ambassador’s wishes. A little diplomacy might do the State Department some good.

Pompeo in Action

If Mosbacher is perceived as ham-fisted, her boss, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, comes across as ill-informed and poorly advised on Polish matters. Immediately upon his arrival in Warsaw, Secretary Pompeo demanded Jewish property restitution lost in “the Holocaust era.” What about Catholic, or more broadly, Christian property restitution? There are plenty of American citizens with Polish ancestry whose families lost real estate and other goods in the Second World War and its aftermath. Don’t they deserve the support of America’s top diplomat?

The problems with selective restitution requests are numerous. For starters, hardly any en bloc restitution has taken place in Poland since 1989 with the important exception of some of the properties of the Catholic Church and other religious denominations, including Judaism. Here’s what Pompeo’s aides and speechwriters failed to tell him:
During the Second World War and immediately after, all Polish citizens, Christians and non-Christians, experienced massive property losses. This was both because of widespread destruction by the invading armies of the Third Reich and the Soviet Union and because of Nazi and Communist confiscations. Between 1939 and 1945, Polish state property was taken over by the invaders completely. Private and community Jewish property was confiscated wholesale and private Christian property selectively. An exception occurred in the early stages of the Soviet occupation in eastern Poland (1939-1941), where Polish Christians and Jews were targeted equally by the Communists.

In western Poland, the Jews suffered total confiscation—with everything incorporated directly into the Third Reich—as well as in central Poland, which was maintained as a separate Nazi colony. Catholics and other Christians lost all large- and medium-sized properties in the west, as well as some small holdings. In the center of the occupied country, most large Christian-owned estates and enterprises were expropriated, while some medium and small properties were taken over. When the Soviets returned to push the Nazis out of Poland, the Communist government first seized all assets that had been stolen by the Germans and nationalized them. Second, they embarked on an orgy of confiscations and re-confiscations, which targeted all remaining large and medium properties, as well as most small ones affecting Christians and Jews alike. Since 1989, there has been no restitution legislation for any of the private victims of property theft by the Nazis and Communists. The only remedy is to go through courts individually. But Mike Pompeo has no idea about any of this. Instead of encouraging Poland to respect private property generally, he bizarrely singled out a category of victims by religious origin: the Jewish people. Are the Catholics not good enough to see their property returned?

When he finished enlightening his Polish hosts about the intricacies of property restitution, and to put everyone in a better mood, Secretary Pompeo decided to share an inspirational tale with the Poles. He touted a “Polish-American” personal success story: from rags to riches in the United States. Unfortunately, the individual selected by America’s top diplomat to inspire the Poles happened to be Franciszek (Frank) Blaichman, a Stalinist secret policeman and, earlier, a Communist guerrilla. Bleichman emigrated to the US in 1951. He had concealed his past until about a decade ago when, in 2009, his highly sanitized memoir was published. Did I mention that there was an official investigation of his murderous activities by Poland’s Institute of National Remembrance? Apparently, Bleichman was involved in the killing of at least two pro-Western Home Army (AK) fighters and in numerous denunciations to the Soviets of Polish patriots, the latter whom he dubbed “Nazi collaborators,” as was the diktat of Stalin’s propagandists.

Mike Pompeo must have been unaware of any of that, and much more, too. He said that Bleichman was “a testament to the resilience of the Polish people.” Which ones? The ones he was complicit in killing or the ones he denounced to the

Soviet NKVD?
Please note the stark contrast between the abysmal performance of the Secretary of State in February 2019 and his boss, President Donald Trump, in July 2018 in Warsaw. The inferiority of the State Department’s speechwriting and fact-finding teams is embarrassing. Yet the flood of ignorance and offense would not turn itself off. American public figures and their foreign allies kept dishing it out to the Poles.

MSNBC’s History Lesson

For a brief moment, we even wondered if the source of Pompeo’s intel on Poland was not the MSNBC correspondent Andrea Mitchell. She decided to treat everyone to a history lesson. The reporter informed us with her usual unquestioned authority that in April 1943 the Jewish fighters of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising fought against the “Polish and Nazi regime.” Mitchell is not a millennial who has been cheated by an inferior educational system. No, she is a septuagenarian who should know that there was no native quisling government in Poland and that the occupying power was German. The Nazis were not from Venus; they were from the Third Reich. Their ethnicity was German. Their ideology was Nazism.
Please note how liberal prejudice against Catholic Poland translates into, first, conflating “Polish and Nazi,” the former an ethnicity and culture, and the other an alien ideology that had no place among the Poles since it was of German origin. Second, observe how the prejudice has generated a “Polish and Nazi regime” that simply did not exist. Again, it was a German government; more precisely, it was the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). This is what “Nazi” means in translation. There is nothing Polish about that. Memo to MSNBC: checking and cross-checking your facts is an indispensable characteristic of good journalism. And stop listening to the neo-Stalinist school that blames the Poles for the crimes of Nazism.

Bibi’s Foot

At any rate, Mitchell pretended to walk back her slur, but did not apologize. She was lucky that her egregious slander soon disappeared in a storm caused by Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu himself. He tried to be nice to his Polish allies and to dismiss journalistic complaints about a controversial Polish law that sought to protect the nation from slander. The Israeli leader stressed that the law was defanged and symbolic. No one was ever imprisoned under it. True enough.
But the way that Netanyahu chose to express himself was appalling to say the least. He was reported by the Israeli press to have said: “The Poles collaborated with the Nazis and I don’t know anyone who was ever sued for such a statement.” Well, Warsaw took offense at “the Poles collaborated with the Nazis.” Later, his spokeswoman denied that the prime minister had used the definite article. She claimed that he said “Poles cooperated with the Nazis.” Freudian slip? Perhaps. Bibi’s English is flawless; he knows his articles. Besides, his words were recorded and the press refused to change the story. Clearly, Netanyahu put his foot in his mouth.

Coming in the wake of Mosbacher, Pompeo, and Mitchell’s missteps, Prime Minister Netanyahu’s words added insult to injury. Poland has downgraded its delegation to an Intermarium (i.e., the lands between the Black, Adriatic, and Baltic Seas) conference in Israel scheduled to meet in a few days. Prime minister Mateusz Morawiecki is refusing to go. The Polish government, the opposition parties, and the public are truly appalled by Netanyahu’s faux pas. The relations with Israel are now dialed back to before the May 2018 declaration of amity.
No one in Poland will forget that the Germans and the Soviets killed about 6 million Polish citizens, including nearly 3 million Polish Christians, overwhelmingly Catholics. The perpetrators were chiefly German Nazis. What Poland’s distinguished guests and foreign media have perpetrated in Warsaw this month not only smacks of historical revisionism, but is a classic trick of blaming the victim. To what end?

Nobody sane has ever denied that there were Poles, including Nazi collaborators, who killed Jews for a wide range of reasons. But the Nazi collaborators were not “the Poles.” The evildoers were in the minority. Many of them lacked any Polish national consciousness and stemmed from the lower depths of society. They targeted the conscientious, patriotic Poles. And those were the active majority. Most people, as is the case everywhere, tended to be passive witnesses: neither heroes nor villains. Still, the largest single category of Righteous Gentiles, who saved Jews during the Second World War (confirmed by Yad Vashem), were overwhelmingly Catholic Poles. Bibi should know better.
According to Newsmax, on the eve of the conference, “The [State Department] officials said Pompeo hoped to reverse what they called a decade of US disengagement in Central Europe that created a vacuum that Russia and China have exploited.” If this was his intention, the secretary failed miserably.
Mosbacher’s ham-fisted shenanigans, Pompeo’s historical ignorance, and Mitchell’s liberal prejudices caused serious damage to America’s good standing in Poland. Why should we care? After Brexit, the United States needs more than ever allies to represent its interests in Europe so we can concentrate on renewing America and preparing for the looming China threat. Poland is that friend. Thank God, Vice President Mike Pence kept silent in Warsaw. And how refreshingly golden it was.
As an individual, in club career, he is up there. His legacy for Poland is dismal. I'd even say Ebi. Smolarek was a better striker for Poland - Marty on Lewandowski

You've nevee bought a Thai kit u don't know the quality - Prancer on fashion

User avatar
lewandowskielbasa
Posts: 565
Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:33 pm

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by lewandowskielbasa » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:13 pm

JDE wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:04 pm
:lol: :lol: Kielbasa your thoughts and mind are in so many different tangents that I started to write something, read your shit, and ultimately lost all my memory like that dude in memento :lol:

Actually, what a great fuckin flick that was, let's watch a trailer of it for the sake of fuckin watching something. :mrgreen:

Haha. I wrote that while driving to work too. Fucking respond to it point by point mister.

I'll catch up on your recent posts. I skimmed it and it was quite informative. Nice work.

User avatar
lewandowskielbasa
Posts: 565
Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:33 pm

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by lewandowskielbasa » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:57 am

JDE wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:11 pm
**********
Great read JDE. Nice work I will pass this along.

This part confused me: "Please note the stark contrast between the abysmal performance of the Secretary of State in February 2019 and his boss, President Donald Trump, in July 2018 in Warsaw. The inferiority of the State Department’s speechwriting and fact-finding teams is embarrassing."

Stark contrast meaning Trump's speech was accurate?


As for your point about Polish sources in English. It is improving but the overwhelming sources are heavy left leaning and somewhat butt kissing of the West. No surprise since there is no easier way to garner an audience than stroke their ego. But over time a more grounded Polish perspective will surface even overseas. This is an example of one of the positive legacies of the UK migration - English in Poland was jump started. If we are to Westernize as part of the EU then let it be global English not German/French.

User avatar
lewandowskielbasa
Posts: 565
Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:33 pm

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by lewandowskielbasa » Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:49 am

Image

User avatar
JDE
Youth Team
Youth Team
Posts: 1870
Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:56 pm
Location: Brantford - Now in the absolute middle of nowhere - please parachute food and medicine

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by JDE » Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:58 pm

lewandowskielbasa wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:57 am
JDE wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:11 pm
**********
Great read JDE. Nice work I will pass this along.

This part confused me: "Please note the stark contrast between the abysmal performance of the Secretary of State in February 2019 and his boss, President Donald Trump, in July 2018 in Warsaw. The inferiority of the State Department’s speechwriting and fact-finding teams is embarrassing."

Stark contrast meaning Trump's speech was accurate?
Trump’s speech in Wawa was prepared with amazing foreign relation courtesy, an abundance of historical diligence, and ultimately, a very forthright and heartfelt effort that resonated beyond domestic political affiliations - especially when the pronunciation of streets and individuals involved in the Uprising were at the very heart of the context and subject matter. Heartwarming patriotic stuff!

We can all attest our language can be insanely difficult. The American administration came in then, politics aside, and hit a home run – it felt like little old Poland was on some American radar of significance.

Fast forward to the Middle East conference we hosted, Pompeo’s and the administration he represents absolute indifference to very delicate matters, the historical ignorance, calls for restitution on the behest of American lobby groups, just a complete 180 rotation with the blunt side of the knife thrust into the very geopolitical friend’s heart they not too long ago championed while preaching in the once devastated and burnt down center of her capital.

Poland, as always, is alone with no friends and only vultures in her periphery.
As an individual, in club career, he is up there. His legacy for Poland is dismal. I'd even say Ebi. Smolarek was a better striker for Poland - Marty on Lewandowski

You've nevee bought a Thai kit u don't know the quality - Prancer on fashion

User avatar
JDE
Youth Team
Youth Team
Posts: 1870
Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:56 pm
Location: Brantford - Now in the absolute middle of nowhere - please parachute food and medicine

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by JDE » Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:02 am

Interesting watch

As an individual, in club career, he is up there. His legacy for Poland is dismal. I'd even say Ebi. Smolarek was a better striker for Poland - Marty on Lewandowski

You've nevee bought a Thai kit u don't know the quality - Prancer on fashion

MG
Posts: 93
Joined: Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:47 pm

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by MG » Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:31 am

JDE what you wrote about was a Neo-Con and Zionist plan right from the start; Trump who has proven to be just another Neo-Con and Zionist puppet like the Bush's came to Warsaw as a snake oil salesman, the idiots from PIS bought the pitch and started acting like prostitutes to the Americans and Israeli's and the conference in February was a result of their idiotic behavior... you treat yourself without respect others will follow in due time.

Now the American's are currently trying the same pitch with the new Brazilian government by dangling in front of them the chance to become the first South American country in NATO and for that, they are asking the Brazilians to be at the forefront of the campaign to create a coup d'état in Venezuela; the tactics never change, dangle something juicy and see of the mice (rats!?) fall for it ... ours did.

User avatar
JDE
Youth Team
Youth Team
Posts: 1870
Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:56 pm
Location: Brantford - Now in the absolute middle of nowhere - please parachute food and medicine

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by JDE » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:35 pm

MG wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:31 am
PIS bought the pitch and started acting like prostitutes to the Americans and Israeli's and the conference in February was a result of their idiotic behavior... you treat yourself without respect others will follow in due time.
This is true, but the stark geopolitical reality is that Poland desperately needs America until we develop/establish our own military deterrence and some self-sustained means of providing power. You dance with American you're also in a dance with Israel - the two are intertwined in a marriage that will last beyond our lives on this planet.

I'm too bloody tired today to even start expanding on the commercial natural gas slavery currently holding Polska in chains - but briefly, I'll state, cutting down on Gazprom while diversifying via LNG imports from America, Qatar and Norway, while it may warm some political patriotic hearts - is a shortsighted and foolish endeavour. It's a National tragedy that Nuclear power plants aren't currently operational in Polska. It's a stain on all elected officials since 89 who are more interested in intra-political squabbles than the betterment of the Nation!

Militarily, nobody respects a Nation that in some degree can't protect her own sovereignty and populace.

Nuclear power and nuclear weaponry for deterrence, this is the only path for Polska to sit at the table where big boys discuss World politics and not be a fuckin minnow that needs protection from other nations and the bullshit treaties which history has taught us don't mean jack shit.
As an individual, in club career, he is up there. His legacy for Poland is dismal. I'd even say Ebi. Smolarek was a better striker for Poland - Marty on Lewandowski

You've nevee bought a Thai kit u don't know the quality - Prancer on fashion

MG
Posts: 93
Joined: Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:47 pm

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by MG » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:13 pm

I disagree; how I see it the US is the collapsing empire and China is the rising power ... if I was part of the Polish elite I'd be promoting the idea of signing business and military contracts with the Chinese government and Chinese companies en masse to all of my Polish elite friends. I'd also be for diversifying the Polish portfolio with contracts with Iranian and Turkish businesses ... the future of the world is the Euro-Asian market. I see Trump's Presidency as the US elites last gasp at trying to stay on top. Even International Jews are realizing the US economy will soon collapse and their Big Brother won't be able to protect them from the hordes of Arabs and Muslim's at Israel's doors ... that's why they seem to be preparing safe landing routes in Ukraine and/or Poland for themselves.

I will make a prediction right now right here ... in our lifetimes the US will become a 3rd world nation.

I do agree with you on 1 thing though; having nuclear weapons makes you an ultimate player on the world stage (North Korea is the best example of this) and that's why I'd be for Poland doing anything to get their hands on nukes.

User avatar
polskaforever
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 7257
Joined: Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:38 pm

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by polskaforever » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:03 pm

I didnt believe in Trump's speech in Warsaw. It was nice. sure. What I was looking for were concrete deals between Washington and Warsaw that could help Poland be better and not some fancy speech for the media.

I agree also that Poland should get nukes. French elite learned from being attacked in WW1 and WW2 to get nukes to prevent another future attack against the nation.

Regarding natural gas, Poland doesnt want to help Russia by buying their gas. Its actually good that Poland is diversifying.

Yes, at the moment Poland needs to rely on the Americans until we can better defend ourselves and also when we can produce our own quality military hardware.
Image

User avatar
polskaforever
Moderator
Moderator
Posts: 7257
Joined: Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:38 pm

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by polskaforever » Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:11 pm

Not too long ago during the cold war, Washington had nukes targeting Warsaw. Now we have nukes targeting Warsaw from Moscow.
Image

User avatar
JDE
Youth Team
Youth Team
Posts: 1870
Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:56 pm
Location: Brantford - Now in the absolute middle of nowhere - please parachute food and medicine

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by JDE » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:29 pm

MG wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:13 pm
I disagree; how I see it the US is the collapsing empire and China is the rising power ... if I was part of the Polish elite I'd be promoting the idea of signing business and military contracts with the Chinese government and Chinese companies en masse to all of my Polish elite friends.
Broski, we did sign a bunch of business contracts with China and from the inept failure of highway building to the concrete lack of estimated investment, it hasn’t been a fruitful endeavour.

https://www.ft.com/content/77f1d8c3-d25 ... dee87cb6c2

https://vsquare.org/belt-road-hub-and-h ... in-poland/

As for your yearning to have some type of bilateral military cooperation with China, I find the appropriate words hard to find in my unconditional rejection of such a premise.

Forget military collaboration, I’m stoked that is only some frivolous fantasy, but even more so I’m glad that Polska is realizing what a shitshow of bad judgement allowing Huawei and China to build our 5G network would entail.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pola ... SKCN1PI2B7

I’m too lazy and tired right now to clinically dissect your adoration for China based on what I perceive is your animosity towards America? Good luck to this Chinese current economical tiger when its middle class population starts to yearn for civil rights and the standard of living found in the western hemisphere. Good luck managing a Nation of 1.4 Billion who at some point will awaken from their slumber and demand a healthier society from their Government.

MG wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:13 pm
I will make a prediction right now right here ... in our lifetimes the US will become a 3rd world nation.
I don’t mean to be a dick, but this prophecy is beyond ridiculous, I don’t mean to psychoanalyze you, like I’m some clinical practitioner, but to me your distaste for the US is severely clouding your rational thinking.

Anyway, I do enjoy the opinions contrary to my own thoughts and beliefs, the intellectual banter, so fair play to you and who the fuck knows, maybe I’m the lemming living out my life in a shroud of ignorant darkness.
As an individual, in club career, he is up there. His legacy for Poland is dismal. I'd even say Ebi. Smolarek was a better striker for Poland - Marty on Lewandowski

You've nevee bought a Thai kit u don't know the quality - Prancer on fashion

User avatar
JDE
Youth Team
Youth Team
Posts: 1870
Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:56 pm
Location: Brantford - Now in the absolute middle of nowhere - please parachute food and medicine

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by JDE » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:39 pm

polskaforever wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:11 pm
Not too long ago during the cold war, Washington had nukes targeting Warsaw. Now we have nukes targeting Warsaw from Moscow.
Kaliningrad Oblast homie, they've militarized that region to the proverbial teeth your grandfather once lost.
As an individual, in club career, he is up there. His legacy for Poland is dismal. I'd even say Ebi. Smolarek was a better striker for Poland - Marty on Lewandowski

You've nevee bought a Thai kit u don't know the quality - Prancer on fashion

MG
Posts: 93
Joined: Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:47 pm

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by MG » Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:19 am

JDE you made some good points about China but you forgot my statement ...

''the Euro-Asian market is the future" ... the Euro-Asian market is much more than China in it you have India, Turkey, Iran, Japan, South Korea, and all the rich Middle Eastern nations and I did point out Iran and Turkey in particular as 2 markets outside of China, I think Poland should do plenty of business with as well.

As for your point about 5G, I'm against the whole technology period.

Finally, yes I am quite Anti-American; I lived in Canada for over 20 years (and visited the US a good couple of times) and saw the hubris of the American political class, elite, media, Hollywood and mostly stupid and arrogant American fools up close and personal ... Canadian culture outside of its love for hockey is mostly saturated by the pathetic lowest common denominator American culture. I even got infected a bit by this culture as I watch the WWE (professional wrestling) which is the perfect endeavor that shows the world what the US is all about .. lots of steroids and big fake boobs and now the President of the country is a man that took part in the WWE and is friends with the owner of the business that is having shows in Saudi Arabia of all places. The US is the perfect example of a nation and a people that has completely gone off the deep end because of their lack of morality and pure ultimate hedonism ... and even the places and people that are supposed remind Americans of what is right, just and moral (Church's and Pastors/Priests) are nothing more than fakers and charlatans.

The US is morally, ethically, spiritually, economically and politically in a state of complete decay and clearly, the US elite has decided what the elite of every collapsing empire decide; the final desperate ploy to stay on top is total war ... the American elite for about 7 years has been doing everything possible to get China and Russia to do something that would give the US (and NATO as a whole) an excuse to start WW3. From all of my research, I am certain the US 1% have weighed all their options and have decided WW3 is the way to go but they don't want the history books to say the US started it so they want to coax Russia and/or China into making a stupid mistake that could be sold to the Western public as a declaration of war. Basically, the US 1% are as insane as Hitler was (and Trump is their waterboy like every President since JFK has been) ... by the way these same families I am talking about funded the rise of the Nazi's alongside their British 1% friends.

Microphone dropped ... that's a wrestling reference if you don't know ;-)

PS. As for the Chinese elite, I understand their outlook being let's try and take over the world by mostly economic means but if necessary get prepared for WW3. In terms of Russia, their situation is much more complicated as they are the 3rd wheel in between the collapsing empire that is the US and the rising empire wannabee that is China.

User avatar
JDE
Youth Team
Youth Team
Posts: 1870
Joined: Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:56 pm
Location: Brantford - Now in the absolute middle of nowhere - please parachute food and medicine

Re: Humanity going forward: Automation, Robotics, Us

Post by JDE » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:56 am

LOL MG, I’m gonna have to properly ingest and compute your words sometime this week with the proper respect afforded to somebody that intellectually put in an effort in a daft society where social media attention whoring has now become the standard of communicational discourse.

I disagree with you in heaps, especially in your assertion on the perceived erosion of American societal supremacy, but homie, we will chat further :mrgreen:
As an individual, in club career, he is up there. His legacy for Poland is dismal. I'd even say Ebi. Smolarek was a better striker for Poland - Marty on Lewandowski

You've nevee bought a Thai kit u don't know the quality - Prancer on fashion

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests