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| Paramount wrote: | | Benek wrote: | Alvaro Fernandez signed with Seattle. He's only 24 and played at the WC with Uruguay. Played in 4 games and even started vs Ghana.
Geovanni, Luis Garcia and Nuno Gomes are the latest rumored player to join MLS. |
I think it won't last, competition in the Euro-Leagues are far beyond the NA league and always will be IMO. |
What won't last?
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I just hope one of those mexican libertadores spots goes to the MLS at some point in the next 5 years. It would be awesome seeing the red bulls play in libertadores or sudamericana. imagine henry scoring a goal against flamengo at maracana  i know there are strong sentiments in south america against such a thing but money speaks volumes.
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| maciej wrote: | | I just hope one of those mexican libertadores spots goes to the MLS at some point in the next 5 years. It would be awesome seeing the red bulls play in libertadores or sudamericana. imagine henry scoring a goal against flamengo at maracana i know there are strong sentiments in south america against such a thing but money speaks volumes. |
Definetly we dont like at all to include teams from outside SouthAmerica, but money changes everything. Even i heard an idea to invite Japan to one America Cup  (puke) it really sucks, but money again buy everything, unfortunatelly. (southamerican managers looks like whores that sell everything including tradition)
Is like a team from Australia or Vietnam would play the Champions League . Also for money there isnt anymore Intercontinental cup, now the cup with all champions of each continent is a joke, always was nice to see the champions of Europe and SouthAmerica. (just 1 game)
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| henry is making these mls players look pathetic. If it wasnt for rusty finishing he would have 2 at half against houston. |
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| karmakop wrote: | | henry is making these mls players look pathetic. If it wasnt for rusty finishing he would have 2 at half against houston. |
thats cause they are pathetic...
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| Benek wrote: | | Paramount wrote: | | Benek wrote: | Alvaro Fernandez signed with Seattle. He's only 24 and played at the WC with Uruguay. Played in 4 games and even started vs Ghana.
Geovanni, Luis Garcia and Nuno Gomes are the latest rumored player to join MLS. |
I think it won't last, competition in the Euro-Leagues are far beyond the NA league and always will be IMO. |
What won't last? |
This mass-exodus to the MLS, competition will drive them all back to the Euro-leagues even for a bit less money. IMO |
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| Paramount wrote: | | Benek wrote: | | Paramount wrote: | | Benek wrote: | Alvaro Fernandez signed with Seattle. He's only 24 and played at the WC with Uruguay. Played in 4 games and even started vs Ghana.
Geovanni, Luis Garcia and Nuno Gomes are the latest rumored player to join MLS. |
I think it won't last, competition in the Euro-Leagues are far beyond the NA league and always will be IMO. |
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This mass-exodus to the MLS, competition will drive them all back to the Euro-leagues even for a bit less money. IMO |
Mass exodus?? Are you kidding me? It's a few players coming to play out their careers. Good for the league to raise the level of play while still lots of grassroots efforts in the States. Don't think Henry will be running back to Europe at the age of 34.
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| Kolejorz22 wrote: |
Mass exodus?? Are you kidding me? It's a few players coming to play out their careers. Good for the league to raise the level of play while still lots of grassroots efforts in the States. Don't think Henry will be running back to Europe at the age of 34. |
True, but let's not joke around. A shit load of teams would have loved to have Henry on their side for the next 2-3 years...
The players coming over to MLS are getting younger and younger, that's a very good sign for MLS. Seattle just signed the 24 year old kid that played in 4 games during the World Cup with Uruguay, the 4th place team.
MLS should start to attract more and more South Americans. It harder to go for younger Europeans because most of them are already involved with clubs and getting paid good, but getting South Americans to come should be that hard. MLS can pay more, and they can be exposed more to European scouts here, rather than in South America.
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| Benek wrote: | | Kolejorz22 wrote: |
Mass exodus?? Are you kidding me? It's a few players coming to play out their careers. Good for the league to raise the level of play while still lots of grassroots efforts in the States. Don't think Henry will be running back to Europe at the age of 34. |
True, but let's not joke around. A shit load of teams would have loved to have Henry on their side for the next 2-3 years...
The players coming over to MLS are getting younger and younger, that's a very good sign for MLS. Seattle just signed the 24 year old kid that played in 4 games during the World Cup with Uruguay, the 4th place team.
MLS should start to attract more and more South Americans. It harder to go for younger Europeans because most of them are already involved with clubs and getting paid good, but getting South Americans to come should be that hard. MLS can pay more, and they can be exposed more to European scouts here, rather than in South America. |
Oh I completely agree, I think MLS is going to be one of the most interesting leagues to watch over the next 10-20 years in terms of growth. He was just making it sound like all of a sudden there is this rush of players from Europe who will then cut and run back. Mass exodus is hardly a term I would even get close to calling it.
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| Benek wrote: | | Kolejorz22 wrote: |
Mass exodus?? Are you kidding me? It's a few players coming to play out their careers. Good for the league to raise the level of play while still lots of grassroots efforts in the States. Don't think Henry will be running back to Europe at the age of 34. |
True, but let's not joke around. A shit load of teams would have loved to have Henry on their side for the next 2-3 years...
The players coming over to MLS are getting younger and younger, that's a very good sign for MLS. Seattle just signed the 24 year old kid that played in 4 games during the World Cup with Uruguay, the 4th place team.
MLS should start to attract more and more South Americans. It harder to go for younger Europeans because most of them are already involved with clubs and getting paid good, but getting South Americans to come should be that hard. MLS can pay more, and they can be exposed more to European scouts here, rather than in South America. |
Alvaro Fernandez didnt play this year, in fact only played good only 1 game in 2010, he couldnt be a starter in chilean league(that is quiet shitty).... A real good southamerican player will always prefer to go to Europe and if isnt enough good then Mexico, and pheraps then maybe MLS (only those over 30's would go to MLS cos is more easy and there is no pressure of fans and is more like a nice vacations with good salary).
And to be honest Alvaro didnt have any offer so i guess Seattle was the only one, so im not sure how much "attracted" was....
Im not sure if a real good and young southamerican player will ever prefer MLS than Europe.
Even many southamericans are in Arabean leagues, they just go cos minimun they will get 1 million dollar per season. After some years they try to emigrate to more competitive league.
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Benek
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| Chinorios wrote: |
Alvaro Fernandez didnt play this year, in fact only played good only 1 game in 2010, he couldnt be a starter in chilean league(that is quiet shitty)
Im not sure if a real good and young southamerican player will ever prefer MLS than Europe. |
Good enough to play 4 games at the World Cup... that's good enough for me.
Why wouldn't South Americans want to play in MLS? once again, you're too small minded. Nobody is talking about mad South American flocking to MLS tomorrow, everything takes time. Everything is better about living in USA/Canada than South America, that includes money and way of life. Let's face it, most places in South America are dumps. Also, it's much easier for scouts to scout these players if they were to play in MLS than in any South American league.
A lot of MLS teams are now starting to partner up with European team (mostly EPL teams), another +plus why South Americans and latino players would want to play in the MLS.
Before MLS get's really big, it's going to become a hell of a feeder league. Like the Dutch, French leagues. Why? because the money is here. Money to pay the players, money to develop the players. Where can you find better training facilities than in the USA?
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| Benek wrote: | | Chinorios wrote: |
Alvaro Fernandez didnt play this year, in fact only played good only 1 game in 2010, he couldnt be a starter in chilean league(that is quiet shitty)
Im not sure if a real good and young southamerican player will ever prefer MLS than Europe. |
Good enough to play 4 games at the World Cup... that's good enough for me.
Why wouldn't South Americans want to play in MLS? once again, you're too small minded. Nobody is talking about mad South American flocking to MLS tomorrow, everything takes time. Everything is better about living in USA/Canada than South America, that includes money and way of life. Let's face it, most places in South America are dumps. Also, it's much easier for scouts to scout these players if they were to play in MLS than in any South American league.
A lot of MLS teams are now starting to partner up with European team (mostly EPL teams), another +plus why South Americans and latino players would want to play in the MLS.
Before MLS get's really big, it's going to become a hell of a feeder league. Like the Dutch, French leagues. Why? because the money is here. Money to pay the players, money to develop the players. Where can you find better training facilities than in the USA? |
Just to play MLS and Concacaf champions league? c'mon, just face it now MLS isnt enough attractive to get good southamerican players.
All good ones goes for glory to Europe, since kid we only know big european leagues, or even just go to Europe, no matter Greece, Chipre, Russia. And of course if in Europe they can pay better money than in Southamerica they will go there (Ekstraklasa included). Now the only way is to go to retire to make easy money and to relax without any pressure of nobody. To have money is important but doesnt make it all, dont you remember Cosmos and all that league that was created including Pele and all superstars, but failed anyway.
MLS has improve, but for southamericans still is a minor league. More money we can get in Al Ain and those teams
Small mind ? ppff  just dont believe you know all about football, maybe you know just about "soccer"
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| Chinorios wrote: |
Small mind ? ppff just dont believe you know all about football, maybe you know just about "soccer" |
I know enough about football to know that the English came up with the term soccer and used it for years. Now everyone makes it sound like it's USA term even though USA isn't the only country to use it.
MLS get's more money on transfers than South American teams in the past few years. Give it another few years, you'll see. It's going to be much easier for South Americans to get noticed by Euro team than if they were playing in South America. +Plus they have better training facilities here in the States, which makes it easier for players to develop, like Fredy Montero. He'll be going to Europe soon.
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| Benek wrote: | | Chinorios wrote: |
Small mind ? ppff just dont believe you know all about football, maybe you know just about "soccer" |
I know enough about football to know that the English came up with the term soccer and used it for years. Now everyone makes it sound like it's USA term even though USA isn't the only country to use it.
MLS get's more money on transfers than South American teams in the past few years. Give it another few years, you'll see. It's going to be much easier for South Americans to get noticed by Euro team than if they were playing in South America. +Plus they have better training facilities here in the States, which makes it easier for players to develop, like Fredy Montero. He'll be going to Europe soon. |
Dude, I just don't think he understands what you mean. He thinks that what you're saying is that the MLS is going to be the next super league that every kid dreams to play in. Simply put, MLS is a good stepping stone for South Americans to broadcast themselves, and also up the competition a little bit. Chicago Fire isn't Man UTD and NY Red Bulls aren't fucking Barca But the US/Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>> South America in terms of money, way of life, facilities for sports, communication, travel, and pretty much everything. Hell, it probably has as many Latinos as the whole of South America
Chinny, of course every kid wants to play and win CL and UEFA, and play for teams like Liverpool or something, but going to the MLS will make it easier for them to get there. Hopefully I'm getting the right message from Benek 
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| Polski_orzel wrote: | | Benek wrote: | | Chinorios wrote: |
Small mind ? ppff just dont believe you know all about football, maybe you know just about "soccer" |
I know enough about football to know that the English came up with the term soccer and used it for years. Now everyone makes it sound like it's USA term even though USA isn't the only country to use it.
MLS get's more money on transfers than South American teams in the past few years. Give it another few years, you'll see. It's going to be much easier for South Americans to get noticed by Euro team than if they were playing in South America. +Plus they have better training facilities here in the States, which makes it easier for players to develop, like Fredy Montero. He'll be going to Europe soon. |
Dude, I just don't think he understands what you mean. He thinks that what you're saying is that the MLS is going to be the next super league that every kid dreams to play in. Simply put, MLS is a good stepping stone for South Americans to broadcast themselves, and also up the competition a little bit. Chicago Fire isn't Man UTD and NY Red Bulls aren't fucking Barca But the US/Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>> South America in terms of money, way of life, facilities for sports, communication, travel, and pretty much everything. Hell, it probably has as many Latinos as the whole of South America
Chinny, of course every kid wants to play and win CL and UEFA, and play for teams like Liverpool or something, but going to the MLS will make it easier for them to get there. Hopefully I'm getting the right message from Benek |
Benek you say give it a few more years and we'll see. Based on what how many good South Americans play in the MLS now. And I mean Good, not guys that were mediocre in south America, came over to MLS and now look better than the shitty MLS players. Not that many at all. Fucking Blanco and Castillo from Mexico are considered designated players in the MLS. Castillo wasnt even good enough to start at Shakhtar so they loaned him to Chicago. Chinorios is right, the best South Americans go to Europe if they can or they stay and play for their home clubs because they have too much pride to leave and go play in MLS. Id say South Americans have much more aspiration to play for home clubs than Europeans and Americans.
And Europeans notice players in Brazil and Argentina fairly easily. |
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they have a few players...
guess you just don't understand the meaning of 'in due time'. More and more players are coming over, that's a fact. As more players come, the league will get better. As the league gets better, more players of higher caliber will come. Which will keep making the league better.
just wait and see.
IDK why it's so hard for some of you to believe that MLS will be a very good league. I guess it's just that you guys hate US so much you don't want them to be good at football too... but it's gonna happen. Both USMNT and MLS will be a very good, heck USMNT already is good...
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| Its not that nobody wants the US to succeed at football, that's retarded. However the competitions available to MLS teams are simply not enough to attract that many people. There's no CL, or equivalent. Nothing THAT big. The CONCACAF (or whatever its abbreviated) version of the CL will never be as big a draw as the UEFACL/EL. And its competitions like that, that will keep a large majority of the best up and coming stars out of the USA. The MLS will get better, but never to the level of competing with the prestige attached to European competition. |
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| Benek wrote: | they have a few players...
guess you just don't understand the meaning of 'in due time'. More and more players are coming over, that's a fact. As more players come, the league will get better. As the league gets better, more players of higher caliber will come. Which will keep making the league better.
just wait and see.
IDK why it's so hard for some of you to believe that MLS will be a very good league. I guess it's just that you guys hate US so much you don't want them to be good at football too... but it's gonna happen. Both USMNT and MLS will be a very good, heck USMNT already is good... |
or maybe it's just you thinking thyre so good. On these forums it is just you. US best team was in 2002 so idk how u claim they're getting better and MLS was just as good 10 years ago as it is today, just less teams. MLS right now is on par with the EK. |
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| karmakop wrote: |
or maybe it's just you thinking thyre so good. On these forums it is just you. US best team was in 2002 so idk how u claim they're getting better and MLS was just as good 10 years ago as it is today, just less teams. MLS right now is on par with the EK. |
MLS has passed the EK, sorry. Dude, we're having troubles with teams like Inter Baku and other Azerbaijan teams lol
Frankowski came to MLS and was a total bum. A top player in the EK, even today.
Krol was one of the best defenders in the EK last season. He's only average in MLS.
A lot more players are getting scouted by top league teams than EK players. We can't even compare transfer fee's.
MLS players like Sacha Kljestan get transferred to a Euro teams like Anderlecht and in his first game, scores a goal in their CL qualifier match.
The skill level is way higher today than it was 10 years ago. Not only in MLS but also at lower divisions like USL div1 and div2.
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| Benek wrote: | | karmakop wrote: |
or maybe it's just you thinking thyre so good. On these forums it is just you. US best team was in 2002 so idk how u claim they're getting better and MLS was just as good 10 years ago as it is today, just less teams. MLS right now is on par with the EK. |
MLS has passed the EK, sorry. Dude, we're having troubles with teams like Inter Baku and other Azerbaijan teams lol
Frankowski came to MLS and was a total bum. A top player in the EK, even today.
Krol was one of the best defenders in the EK last season. He's only average in MLS.
A lot more players are getting scouted by top league teams than EK players. We can't even compare transfer fee's.
MLS players like Sacha Kljestan get transferred to a Euro teams like Anderlecht and in his first game, scores a goal in their CL qualifier match.
The skill level is way higher today than it was 10 years ago. Not only in MLS but also at lower divisions like USL div1 and div2. |
Wasilewski scored a ton of goals for Anderlecht as a defender
We just had lewandowski transferred to BVB. We have a lot of players from EK playing in better tams than Americans. No Americans have ever been as successful overseas as some of our guys. Zewlakow, Krzynek, Jelen, Zurawski. USL teams beat MLS teams all the time. Puerto raped the Best mls team the other day 4-1. Thats only because MLS is overrated not because lower divisions got better. They might as well bring the two leagues together. |
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