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Re: Decline of Western Civilization

Post by jastkowice » Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:51 pm

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dominikm86 wrote:
(polskaGOLA) wrote:Except we benefit from better education system and the freedom to not worry about crippling debts because of our universal healthcare. :lol:
Our healthcare is garbage. I rather have theirs.
It is complicated. Our healthcare has issues, but we are by most accounts better off than in the USA. We should be moving closer to Western European models, not to American.

I feel like us Canadians become content/complacent on some issues like healthcare simply because we have it better off than in the States.

Imagine if we had to pay for all our medical bills the same way we are forced to pay for dental and eyecare. I don't know about you, but dental and eyecare are some of my largest yearly expenses. I'm a healthy person who rarely gets sick, so maybe it wouldn't matter personally to me too much, but I don't see our society as a whole benefiting from moving to an American system where most people are not covered for basic healthcare and have to pay out of pocket for that in addition to dental/eyecare. (and heavan forbid you get in an accident.)

Let me fill you guys in on healthcare in America since I've lived in both countries.

America

Every doctor we visit is a co pay $50. We pay $300 a month for our medical healthcare which is a special plan from my wife's college.

We still have to wait on doctors just like in Canada. But we don't have to pay out of pocket a crazy amount of money. 400$ a month with one visit is not cheap. That's a car payment and groceries each month .

So, 400 or nothing for the same care. I'll take the Canadian health care system all day.

Side note, I know a retired couple who have tens of thousands of medical bills.

The lady had surgery and now they are going bankrupt they can't get the health care she needs post op because each appt is like 300-500 dollars to visit a specialist.

This is the reality for many people out here...
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Re: Decline of Western Civilization

Post by polskaforever » Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:15 pm

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dominikm86 wrote:
(polskaGOLA) wrote:Except we benefit from better education system and the freedom to not worry about crippling debts because of our universal healthcare. :lol:
Our healthcare is garbage. I rather have theirs.
It is complicated. Our healthcare has issues, but we are by most accounts better off than in the USA. We should be moving closer to Western European models, not to American.

I feel like us Canadians become content/complacent on some issues like healthcare simply because we have it better off than in the States.

Imagine if we had to pay for all our medical bills the same way we are forced to pay for dental and eyecare. I don't know about you, but dental and eyecare are some of my largest yearly expenses. I'm a healthy person who rarely gets sick, so maybe it wouldn't matter personally to me too much, but I don't see our society as a whole benefiting from moving to an American system where most people are not covered for basic healthcare and have to pay out of pocket for that in addition to dental/eyecare. (and heavan forbid you get in an accident.)

Let me fill you guys in on healthcare in America since I've lived in both countries.

America

Every doctor we visit is a co pay $50. We pay $300 a month for our medical healthcare which is a special plan from my wife's college.

We still have to wait on doctors just like in Canada. But we don't have to pay out of pocket a crazy amount of money. 400$ a month with one visit is not cheap. That's a car payment and groceries each month .

So, 400 or nothing for the same care. I'll take the Canadian health care system all day.

Side note, I know a retired couple who have tens of thousands of medical bills.

The lady had surgery and now they are going bankrupt they can't get the health care she needs post op because each appt is like 300-500 dollars to visit a specialist.

This is the reality for many people out here...
All the money goes to Military and Sports (athletes, stadiums (multi billion dollar venues_ etc). Thats what/where the Americans are dominant at.
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Re: Decline of Western Civilization

Post by lewandowskielbasa » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:56 pm

polskaforever wrote:
jastkowice wrote:
(polskaGOLA) wrote:
dominikm86 wrote:
(polskaGOLA) wrote:Except we benefit from better education system and the freedom to not worry about crippling debts because of our universal healthcare. :lol:
Our healthcare is garbage. I rather have theirs.
It is complicated. Our healthcare has issues, but we are by most accounts better off than in the USA. We should be moving closer to Western European models, not to American.

I feel like us Canadians become content/complacent on some issues like healthcare simply because we have it better off than in the States.

Imagine if we had to pay for all our medical bills the same way we are forced to pay for dental and eyecare. I don't know about you, but dental and eyecare are some of my largest yearly expenses. I'm a healthy person who rarely gets sick, so maybe it wouldn't matter personally to me too much, but I don't see our society as a whole benefiting from moving to an American system where most people are not covered for basic healthcare and have to pay out of pocket for that in addition to dental/eyecare. (and heavan forbid you get in an accident.)

Let me fill you guys in on healthcare in America since I've lived in both countries.

America

Every doctor we visit is a co pay $50. We pay $300 a month for our medical healthcare which is a special plan from my wife's college.

We still have to wait on doctors just like in Canada. But we don't have to pay out of pocket a crazy amount of money. 400$ a month with one visit is not cheap. That's a car payment and groceries each month .

So, 400 or nothing for the same care. I'll take the Canadian health care system all day.

Side note, I know a retired couple who have tens of thousands of medical bills.

The lady had surgery and now they are going bankrupt they can't get the health care she needs post op because each appt is like 300-500 dollars to visit a specialist.

This is the reality for many people out here...
All the money goes to Military and Sports (athletes, stadiums (multi billion dollar venues_ etc). Thats what/where the Americans are dominant at.
The military at-least encourages Information Technology improvement. Sports is completely useless

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Post by lewandowskielbasa » Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:38 am

> "Winds of Change" reaches N.America

Trump running on an American patriotic version of classic European nationalism we have seen over the recent past, has defeated the ultimate establishment politician in Hillary. Again the global media has been exposed as out of touch with reality on the ground. Thoughts kolegi?

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Re: Decline of Western Civilization

Post by dominikm86 » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:20 am

lewandowskielbasa wrote:
polskaforever wrote:
jastkowice wrote:
(polskaGOLA) wrote:
dominikm86 wrote:
(polskaGOLA) wrote:Except we benefit from better education system and the freedom to not worry about crippling debts because of our universal healthcare. :lol:
Our healthcare is garbage. I rather have theirs.
It is complicated. Our healthcare has issues, but we are by most accounts better off than in the USA. We should be moving closer to Western European models, not to American.

I feel like us Canadians become content/complacent on some issues like healthcare simply because we have it better off than in the States.

Imagine if we had to pay for all our medical bills the same way we are forced to pay for dental and eyecare. I don't know about you, but dental and eyecare are some of my largest yearly expenses. I'm a healthy person who rarely gets sick, so maybe it wouldn't matter personally to me too much, but I don't see our society as a whole benefiting from moving to an American system where most people are not covered for basic healthcare and have to pay out of pocket for that in addition to dental/eyecare. (and heavan forbid you get in an accident.)

Let me fill you guys in on healthcare in America since I've lived in both countries.

America

Every doctor we visit is a co pay $50. We pay $300 a month for our medical healthcare which is a special plan from my wife's college.

We still have to wait on doctors just like in Canada. But we don't have to pay out of pocket a crazy amount of money. 400$ a month with one visit is not cheap. That's a car payment and groceries each month .

So, 400 or nothing for the same care. I'll take the Canadian health care system all day.

Side note, I know a retired couple who have tens of thousands of medical bills.

The lady had surgery and now they are going bankrupt they can't get the health care she needs post op because each appt is like 300-500 dollars to visit a specialist.

This is the reality for many people out here...
All the money goes to Military and Sports (athletes, stadiums (multi billion dollar venues_ etc). Thats what/where the Americans are dominant at.
The military at-least encourages Information Technology improvement. Sports is completely useless
There is no reason to believe that government can make healthcare less expensive? It can choose to not pay the expenses which is what it is doing. That is why we don't have the same availability as in the US. 30,000 Canadians a year leave Canada to get treatment somewhere else that they would get for free in Canada, because of low quality. MRIs per capita are about half of what they are in the USA. About a quarter of Canadian who need surgery wait 6 months or more. In Canada you wait 10 weeks for an MRI (and that is just to find out what is wrong with you). Bad things can happen in 10 weeks. If you want something cheaper you will not get the same quality. The only way to make healthcare cheaper the government would have to run it more efficiently than private companies do. The goverment doesn't run anything more efficiently than private companies do. At least in the US you have the choice to pay less and get less. Only under our Canadian system are we guarenteed to pay more and get less. The only thing that the American people do wrong is choose to pay for their healthcare with insurance. Insurance raises costs.

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*Obama's America*


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Post by (polskaGOLA) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:16 pm

So unlike Brexit and Trump, I am actually kind of supportive of Marine Le Pen and Front National in France.

France, unlike USA and UK, actually has serious social issues that are being ignored by the political elite from both the centre-right and the left, that need to be addressed. I think that Le Pen could be the wake-up call France needs to begin addressing its issues.

But I am also somewhat doubtful that Le Pen has a chance because France's presidential election requires a run-off system. All the Center-Right, Center and Left voters will group up against her. And in either case, the French system means that President Le Penn won't have control of the legislative or senate even if she is elected President, so she would be unable to pass a FN law anyway without having it be blocked.
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(polskaGOLA) wrote:So unlike Brexit and Trump, I am actually kind of supportive of Marine Le Pen and Front National in France.

France, unlike USA and UK, actually has serious social issues that are being ignored by the political elite from both the centre-right and the left, that need to be addressed. I think that Le Pen could be the wake-up call France needs to begin addressing its issues.

But I am also somewhat doubtful that Le Pen has a chance because France's presidential election requires a run-off system. All the Center-Right, Center and Left voters will group up against her. And in either case, the French system means that President Le Penn won't have control of the legislative or senate even if she is elected President, so she would be unable to pass a FN law anyway without having it be blocked.
During the election MSNBC actually brought up Le Pen when the result was inevitable. No surprise, they didn't paint a very pretty picture. Labeling her part of an extreme party and they brought up her fathers past [she booted him out of the party I believe]. So this will continue to be the narrative the West paints for us in North America.


GOLA - about the election. The subject of economy won out. All those Northern States went Trump, like we thought possible for the rust belt. Americans right now view the economy as more important than social progress or environmental awareness.

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lewandowskielbasa wrote:GOLA - about the election. The subject of economy won out. All those Northern States went Trump, like we thought possible for the rust belt. Americans right now view the economy as more important than social progress or environmental awareness.
Indeed, it was a massive miscalculation by, pretty much everybody on either left or right of the spectrum except for the Trump camp.

But I remind you that Trump won as a result of 144,00 votes spread across three northern states. The margins are incredibly small, and Clinton still won the popular vote. I would hesitate to use generalist comments like "Americans cared about the economy" here. This was more of a case of both political establishments (left and right) ignoring the plight of an economically depressed (yet electoral vote rich) post-industrial region, combined with Hillary being an historically terrible candidate.

Meanwhile, Nevada and New Mexico have become solidly blue, and deeper analysis shows how well the Democrats performed in major urban centers in Texas despite the depressed Democrat vote. (Demographics be-a-changing)
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As someone who considers himself centrist, yet progressive on social issues, but is adamantly pro-dialogue, pro-debate and cannot stomach the regressive identity politics of the modern left, I am glad this election result finally grants me the platform to scream my head off at the idiodicy of the modern left.

They deserved to lose. It is a shame the stakes had to be this high when the lesson came.
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Post by Piecyk02 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:50 pm

Yeah Gola that video is spot on. Do you follow guys like Sam Harris, Gad Saad, or Dave Rubin who actively fight against this regressive leftist nonsense?

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Piecyk02 wrote:Yeah Gola that video is spot on. Do you follow guys like Sam Harris, Gad Saad, or Dave Rubin who actively fight against this regressive leftist nonsense?
No I do not, but if you want to post some of their content I will give it a watch!
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nicram wrote:Trudeau is golas idol
He is a little of a policy light-weight, but he is surrounded by the most experienced, educated and impressive cabinet I have ever seen in Canadian politics.

This current government, and it's return to evidence-based policy, is a breath of fresh air, that is for certain.
Gola I gotta ask: Why do you think Trudeau's cabinet is so impressive?

The way I see it, the entire cabinet is a fucking joke. You got Dion who can barely speak English show his incompetence in handling any foreign affairs matters. This is generally agreed upon by both left and right wing media posts.

Maryam Monsef could be stripped of her citizenship because she lied about her birthplace.You can't be that naive not knowing where the fuck you were born.

Morneau is your typical Laurentian elite hypocritical scumbag who pretends he knows what he's doing but is fucking up. Just because you worked on Bay Street doesnt mean you know how to handle the national economy. "Three modest deficits of $10 billion" oops, make that $30 billion with no plan to try to reduce our debt in the future. Morneau needs to stop blowing Trudeau and take charge of the economic file. At least Flaherty wasn't scared to voice opposition to Harper when they disagreed on something.

McCallum might be the cherry on top of this great cabinet. This old prick thinks ramping up our refugee intake from war torn shit holes will magically eradicate Canada's low work levels and high unemployment rate. Sure, because since Canadians already are having tough times finding work, bringing in record levels of refugees and immigration will definitely solve the issue! I know we have an aging population, but fuck me look after the youth of today and create an environment that helps them succeed. Bring in immigrants with valuable skill, people cannot be just brought in based on moral grounds because they live in a third world shit hole.

The Trudeau cabinet are a bunch of incompetent clowns who get a pass from many because of Trudea's popularity.

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nicram wrote:Trudeau is golas idol
He is a little of a policy light-weight, but he is surrounded by the most experienced, educated and impressive cabinet I have ever seen in Canadian politics.

This current government, and it's return to evidence-based policy, is a breath of fresh air, that is for certain.
Gola I gotta ask: Why do you think Trudeau's cabinet is so impressive?

The way I see it, the entire cabinet is a fucking joke. You got Dion who can barely speak English show his incompetence in handling any foreign affairs matters. This is generally agreed upon by both left and right wing media posts.

Maryam Monsef could be stripped of her citizenship because she lied about her birthplace.You can't be that naive not knowing where the fuck you were born.

Morneau is your typical Laurentian elite hypocritical scumbag who pretends he knows what he's doing but is fucking up. Just because you worked on Bay Street doesnt mean you know how to handle the national economy. "Three modest deficits of $10 billion" oops, make that $30 billion with no plan to try to reduce our debt in the future. Morneau needs to stop blowing Trudeau and take charge of the economic file. At least Flaherty wasn't scared to voice opposition to Harper when they disagreed on something.

McCallum might be the cherry on top of this great cabinet. This old prick thinks ramping up our refugee intake from war torn shit holes will magically eradicate Canada's low work levels and high unemployment rate. Sure, because since Canadians already are having tough times finding work, bringing in record levels of refugees and immigration will definitely solve the issue! I know we have an aging population, but fuck me look after the youth of today and create an environment that helps them succeed. Bring in immigrants with valuable skill, people cannot be just brought in based on moral grounds because they live in a third world shit hole.

The Trudeau cabinet are a bunch of incompetent clowns who get a pass from many because of Trudea's popularity.
I've met Dion several times. Reports of his English sucking is greatly overstated by all media. A lot of people cite him not speaking English to one interview clip where the reporter threw him a trick question. And to the English debate where he did not perform that well. (You try doing a high-pressure debate in Polish.)

But I assure you he speaks good English. He's given guest lectures to my classes before and I had no troubles understanding him, minus his accent. French people generally suck with their accent in English. But this is not making an excuse. If you want to be Prime Minister of Canada you should have mastery in both langauges.

But for a ministry position, Stephane Dion is more than qualified. He is a brilliant guy and a professor of politics prior to becoming a politician, which is different from your typical crop of aristocrat/lawyer-turned-career-politicians.

On Morneau, I am not sure how to respond to your complaints. I've also met him a few times in person (I know many people who have volunteered for his campaign) and he (and his wife) doesn't come across as an elitist scumbag at all, quite the opposite actually considering their wealth. Morneau did not just work on Bay Street, or inherit vast wealth (like his wife did), he greatly expanded his father's medium-sized business to one of the largest in Canada. I thought this was what right wingers wanted, someone with business experience in government? Or is it suddenly inconvenient when they wear red tie instead of a blue one?

Trudeau was elected on a mandate to greatly expand infrastructure investment and to take on debt in his first term. It would be counterintuitive for the finance minister to just go against the PM's mandate. I am an economic nationalist (huehuehue but isn't that what Trump is??? :o :lol: ) so I don't find an issue with that, especially considering we have greatly under-invested on infratructure for 30 years accross Canada.

Anyway, this isn't the United States where individual representatives can voice their opinion ala Ted Cruz vs. Mitch McConnel. In Canada we have a Westminster system of government, which basically means that members of parliament are whipped voted for the Prime Minister, and the Ministries follow the PM's mandate.

I actually agree on McCallum, I don't find him an especially inspiring choice of minister. I don't know Monsef enough to comment, but Trudeau's flip-flop on electoral reform is my greatest complaint about him.
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Post by (polskaGOLA) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:04 pm

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-pres ... d=43513067

I actually don't know this guys views on anything, lol.

The greatest irony: The election of Trump may finally lead to the normalization of same-sex marriage among Republic politicians.

Another great irony: 80% of Evangelicals have just voted for their first Atheist President. :lol:
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