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Post by karmakop » Mon Jun 28, 2010 6:57 pm

Anyone here ever have a knee injury?

6-7 weeks ago I partially tore my acl and mcl. It was the most painful hing I've ever had happen to me. I had to stay off my foot completely for 2 weeks and until a week ago I've been very careful with the knee, basically trying to avoid doin anything with it other than my rehab sessions.

Yesterday was my first day back to soccer. I kicked the ball around very carefully but it fuckin blows. My left knee is the one that got fucked up and that's my plant foot. So everytime I go to kick the ball I half ass it, plant my foot very gingerly and so my shot ends up weak. Everything I did was basically half ass pussy shit, cuz I keep getting worried it will happen again.

Anyone here hve an injury like this? If so, how did your recovery go? Are you playing sports the same as you once did? I know when pros tear their acl or mcl they are never the same again because they fear it happening again. That fear makes them play too cautiously, which usually leads to more injury. I'm no pro but I still wanna be competitive against my friends.

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Post by scyzor_tay » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:34 pm

Well I never had an injury like that (Thank God) but I know people who have.. and think about it.. ACL and MCL is one of the worse injuries anyone can have in any sport, especially soccer.. in terms of career wise it usually ruins peoples careers or dreams.. you only partially tore it but that is still a bad injury.. You didnt get surgery or was it not needed? I dont know much about this injury but 6-7 weeks is not enough man unless you were receiving the best physio and mental strengthening in the country. Chances are you can easily blow our your knee again and could be worse this time.

You have to take it slow and not rush. Depending on what level soccer you are playing and how serious you are, you have to take the proper recovery methods and be serious about it so it takes alot of hard work if you want to be able to play well at a good level. But If you were playing lousy level or nothing special than just take another 2-3 months off (dont even play this season), slowly running and touching a ball on your own time.

If a pro soccer player partially tore a ACL or MCL they usually dont have trouble recoving and getting back into fitness and being ready mentally within a few months with the best help in the world, but even then sometimes they reinjure it because they came back too quick and from then on even some are stuck getting injured again and again. A real bad tare like Luiz Ronaldo suffered, many dont make it back to the same level, it took him years and the best help in the world. 98% of people wouldnt be able to do what he did.

I wouldnt take any stupid risks with your health. Take longer to recover and work back into it slowly yourself - not with a team or friends, while you are going to physio too.

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Post by Michal » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:58 am

should get incontact with Blazej Nowak, he's had a few injuries in his day, including tearing a knee muscle
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Post by jastkowice » Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:23 am

I tore my MCL twice, no big deal the ligament heals on its own with time. I have had mensicus surgery where they took out 60 percent of my cartlidge. FInally I partially tore my ACL, then 6 weeks later in a football match I fully tore it! Problem with the partial tear it does NOT heal back to its original way! Finally, you will know when you fully tear it because it sounds like a shotgun blast of a POP in your knee and its tons of pain!

As for recovery when I partially tore it I did intense physio for 2 months which help strenghten my muscles around me knee. I remember being in practice after 2 months of physio with my brace and I felt like shit, not the same at all. But now you have a chance of fully tearing it which will take almost 6 months to get back to any physical activity with brace, and then another couple of months of strengthening and flexibility before you will be able to play. Its alot of hard work and traning during recovery. After a year, I was still hesitant to play sports again, and I am definitly not the same as I was earlier.

I dont want to be a debby downer but its been 4 years for me since my operation, where they replaced my acl using my hamstring graft, and my hamstring is still weak and my knee does not feel the same at all. I try to play sports, but I hold myself back thinking the worst. Regardless, I dont feel same as I once was...and in the winter your knee hurts like hell.
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Post by kubas » Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:29 pm

I completely tore my ACL. Had the surgery to repair it, and my knee has been as good as new since (5 years ago)
Partial ACL tear inevitably leads to a full tear, no question.
Additionally, it takes months of physical physio in order to be able to walk properly again let alon play sports. If you had done nothing since the injury, you will just reinjure it that much sooner. Braces don't help in sports such as soccer, since it does not protect you against a twisting motion.
Do yourself a favour and see an orthopedic surgeon.

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Post by kubas » Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:37 pm

jastkowice wrote:I tore my MCL twice, no big deal the ligament heals on its own with time. I have had mensicus surgery where they took out 60 percent of my cartlidge. FInally I partially tore my ACL, then 6 weeks later in a football match I fully tore it! Problem with the partial tear it does NOT heal back to its original way! Finally, you will know when you fully tear it because it sounds like a shotgun blast of a POP in your knee and its tons of pain!

As for recovery when I partially tore it I did intense physio for 2 months which help strenghten my muscles around me knee. I remember being in practice after 2 months of physio with my brace and I felt like shit, not the same at all. But now you have a chance of fully tearing it which will take almost 6 months to get back to any physical activity with brace, and then another couple of months of strengthening and flexibility before you will be able to play. Its alot of hard work and traning during recovery. After a year, I was still hesitant to play sports again, and I am definitly not the same as I was earlier.

I dont want to be a debby downer but its been 4 years for me since my operation, where they replaced my acl using my hamstring graft, and my hamstring is still weak and my knee does not feel the same at all. I try to play sports, but I hold myself back thinking the worst. Regardless, I dont feel same as I once was...and in the winter your knee hurts like hell.
I had the ACL recon done using the patela tendon. My friend had the ham graft done twice on the same knee, and it's failed twice. The reason is that there is no bone fragments in the hamstring graft that would allow for it to grow itself into the tibia and femur. Unlike the hamstring graft, the patella tendon is extracted with pieces of bone on both ends.

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Post by Dj Domino » Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:16 pm

I've dislocated my knee cap quite a few times but have never actually tore anything because, as my one surgeon put it, my ligaments are "really stretchy". I've had a couple surgeries, one to remove a bone chip and one to clear out some cartilage that was stuck in a joint lining. Both surgeries helped me, I could feel that something was wrong beforehand.

I am nowhere near the same as I was before, but I don't really work out or anything and I'm pretty skinny so I think that if I actually ate well and hit the gym my knee would feel a lot better.

My problem now is I broke my leg over a year ago and that took a long time to heal. But since I've healed I still have problems with it and I feel that my break affected my knee as well as it is worse than before (I broke the leg I have the knee problems on). Now when I go for a longish walk both my legs kill and after I play sports I need quite a long time to recover. It's mostly fine while I'm playing soccer because of the adrenaline and whatnot but after the adrenaline dump I'm hurting.

My advice is to wait for it to heal as completely as it can on its own (I know it's tough), do your physio, and see a specialist if you already haven't. Be prepared to not feel the same again, but with medicine nowadays who the heck knows.

Btw, I hear that people are scared after their big injury and hold back, I never really got that. After my first knee injury I had that apprehension for a week or so after but my first practice back I was back in the swing of things. I seriously contemplated quitting soccer after breaking my leg because that just fucked up so much shit it wasn't worth it and it took me a long time to heal but now I'm back playing and I don't even think about it. Even though my body is done after a game that part is worth it. Don't bitch out if you really wanna keep playing, just be smart.

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Post by Wyborowa » Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:44 pm

like jasktowice said...your knee will never be the same, unfortunalty. In the hospital, there are TONS of people there who tore ligaments in there knees and have baaaad problems with em for the rest of their lives..their knees look like big, ugly ass grapefruits..
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Post by karmakop » Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:39 pm

jastkowice wrote:I tore my MCL twice, no big deal the ligament heals on its own with time. I have had mensicus surgery where they took out 60 percent of my cartlidge. FInally I partially tore my ACL, then 6 weeks later in a football match I fully tore it! Problem with the partial tear it does NOT heal back to its original way! Finally, you will know when you fully tear it because it sounds like a shotgun blast of a POP in your knee and its tons of pain!

As for recovery when I partially tore it I did intense physio for 2 months which help strenghten my muscles around me knee. I remember being in practice after 2 months of physio with my brace and I felt like shit, not the same at all. But now you have a chance of fully tearing it which will take almost 6 months to get back to any physical activity with brace, and then another couple of months of strengthening and flexibility before you will be able to play. Its alot of hard work and traning during recovery. After a year, I was still hesitant to play sports again, and I am definitly not the same as I was earlier.

I dont want to be a debby downer but its been 4 years for me since my operation, where they replaced my acl using my hamstring graft, and my hamstring is still weak and my knee does not feel the same at all. I try to play sports, but I hold myself back thinking the worst. Regardless, I dont feel same as I once was...and in the winter your knee hurts like hell.
i heard that too and boy did i also feel that pain.

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Post by jastkowice » Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:36 pm

kubas wrote:
jastkowice wrote:I tore my MCL twice, no big deal the ligament heals on its own with time. I have had mensicus surgery where they took out 60 percent of my cartlidge. FInally I partially tore my ACL, then 6 weeks later in a football match I fully tore it! Problem with the partial tear it does NOT heal back to its original way! Finally, you will know when you fully tear it because it sounds like a shotgun blast of a POP in your knee and its tons of pain!

As for recovery when I partially tore it I did intense physio for 2 months which help strenghten my muscles around me knee. I remember being in practice after 2 months of physio with my brace and I felt like shit, not the same at all. But now you have a chance of fully tearing it which will take almost 6 months to get back to any physical activity with brace, and then another couple of months of strengthening and flexibility before you will be able to play. Its alot of hard work and traning during recovery. After a year, I was still hesitant to play sports again, and I am definitly not the same as I was earlier.

I dont want to be a debby downer but its been 4 years for me since my operation, where they replaced my acl using my hamstring graft, and my hamstring is still weak and my knee does not feel the same at all. I try to play sports, but I hold myself back thinking the worst. Regardless, I dont feel same as I once was...and in the winter your knee hurts like hell.
I had the ACL recon done using the patela tendon. My friend had the ham graft done twice on the same knee, and it's failed twice. The reason is that there is no bone fragments in the hamstring graft that would allow for it to grow itself into the tibia and femur. Unlike the hamstring graft, the patella tendon is extracted with pieces of bone on both ends.

kubas,

When I got my surgery done, I didn't really have a choice! My surgeon from a private practice in Germany was really well recognized as he had performed surgeries for players on the Hamburg SV football team also many players from the Hamburg Handball team.

When I did ask about why not my patella he said their would be a significant chance of problems later in life with such things as arthritis and other complications. So, I had to go based on his expertise and I guess its worked out alright since I have had no real problems with it, but still once you have surgery it will never be the same that's the point here!
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Post by kubas » Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:54 pm

jastkowice wrote:
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jastkowice wrote:I tore my MCL twice, no big deal the ligament heals on its own with time. I have had mensicus surgery where they took out 60 percent of my cartlidge. FInally I partially tore my ACL, then 6 weeks later in a football match I fully tore it! Problem with the partial tear it does NOT heal back to its original way! Finally, you will know when you fully tear it because it sounds like a shotgun blast of a POP in your knee and its tons of pain!

As for recovery when I partially tore it I did intense physio for 2 months which help strenghten my muscles around me knee. I remember being in practice after 2 months of physio with my brace and I felt like shit, not the same at all. But now you have a chance of fully tearing it which will take almost 6 months to get back to any physical activity with brace, and then another couple of months of strengthening and flexibility before you will be able to play. Its alot of hard work and traning during recovery. After a year, I was still hesitant to play sports again, and I am definitly not the same as I was earlier.

I dont want to be a debby downer but its been 4 years for me since my operation, where they replaced my acl using my hamstring graft, and my hamstring is still weak and my knee does not feel the same at all. I try to play sports, but I hold myself back thinking the worst. Regardless, I dont feel same as I once was...and in the winter your knee hurts like hell.
I had the ACL recon done using the patela tendon. My friend had the ham graft done twice on the same knee, and it's failed twice. The reason is that there is no bone fragments in the hamstring graft that would allow for it to grow itself into the tibia and femur. Unlike the hamstring graft, the patella tendon is extracted with pieces of bone on both ends.

kubas,

When I got my surgery done, I didn't really have a choice! My surgeon from a private practice in Germany was really well recognized as he had performed surgeries for players on the Hamburg SV and their Handball team.

When I did ask about why not my patella he said their would be a significant chance of problems later in life with such things as arthritis and other complications. So, I had to go based on his expertise and I guess its worked out alright since I have had no real problems with it, but still once you have surgery it will never be the same that's the point here!
I actually disagree to a certain extend. Due to the fact that I had a piece of the patela tendon removed, I do have some loss of sensation in the front of my knee cap. That's the only side effect. Like I said before, the knee that was operated on feels as good as new. It's been five-six years since, and I have been playing soccer since, every year.
Some people tend to forget that following through with the physio after the surgery is actually more important than the procedure itself. Additionally, regular exercise help strenghten the muscles that surround the knee, and thus protect it.
You have to keep in mind that soccer is very detrimental to your joints. The sudden stops, pivoting and twisting motion your joints are subjected to will eventually wear out your joints. There are no exceptions, period. This happens even quicker as you get older.
For example, your meniscuis wears out a lot quicker, it does regenerate itself, but not fast enough if you keep playing all year round. You can take supplements that help speed the process up.
Most of the time, the people that have knee problems after the recon surgery did not follow through with the physio, and or stopped exercising all together.
I know quite a few of them.
I am 34 years old, and have been playing soccer for years. I exercise regularly, and make sure I follow a reasonable diet. Last time I had an MRI done (a year ago), I was told my knee was in perfect shape. I don't think it's a coincidence.
Lastly, I don't wear cleats. That's the reason I tore my ACL. I planted my right foot and twisted the knee out of the socket, tearing the ACL completly. Cleats, especially the blade type give you way to much traction. When you plant your foot, they dig into the turf so firmly that they only thing that gives way is your ligaments. I know some soccer clubs banned their players from wearing them due to the danger of damaging your joints.

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Post by karmakop » Fri Jul 02, 2010 4:52 pm

I. Did it again yesterday. Fucked up same knee playing basketball. I think I re-tore what had just healed. A lot of swelling and pain is even worse than the last time. Another 2 weeks of laying in my bed. I didn't have surgery last time because I only had partial tears to my acl and mcl. I don't even know if I should see an orthopedic again or just do why I did last time and not play sports til next year.

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Post by kubas » Fri Jul 02, 2010 6:56 pm

karmakop wrote:I. Did it again yesterday. Fucked up same knee playing basketball. I think I re-tore what had just healed. A lot of swelling and pain is even worse than the last time. Another 2 weeks of laying in my bed. I didn't have surgery last time because I only had partial tears to my acl and mcl. I don't even know if I should see an orthopedic again or just do why I did last time and not play sports til next year.
Buddy, you went to play two weeks after you had originally injured the knee?!
ACL does not reapir itself, it has no blood supply unlike MCL.
Once you tear an ACL the only way to repair it is to have surgery done.
I bet you've now completly torn your ACL.
Now it's time to visit ortho.

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Post by karmakop » Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:30 pm

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karmakop wrote:I. Did it again yesterday. Fucked up same knee playing basketball. I think I re-tore what had just healed. A lot of swelling and pain is even worse than the last time. Another 2 weeks of laying in my bed. I didn't have surgery last time because I only had partial tears to my acl and mcl. I don't even know if I should see an orthopedic again or just do why I did last time and not play sports til next year.
Buddy, you went to play two weeks after you had originally injured the knee?!
ACL does not reapir itself, it has no blood supply unlike MCL.
Once you tear an ACL the only way to repair it is to have surgery done.
I bet you've now completly torn your ACL.
Now it's time to visit ortho.
na not 2 weeks. Look at my first post. I basically gave it 7 weeks from when I tore it the first time. Ortho told me to give it 4 and I gave it 7.

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Post by Polski_orzel » Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:54 am

karmakop wrote:
kubas wrote:
karmakop wrote:I. Did it again yesterday. Fucked up same knee playing basketball. I think I re-tore what had just healed. A lot of swelling and pain is even worse than the last time. Another 2 weeks of laying in my bed. I didn't have surgery last time because I only had partial tears to my acl and mcl. I don't even know if I should see an orthopedic again or just do why I did last time and not play sports til next year.
Buddy, you went to play two weeks after you had originally injured the knee?!
ACL does not reapir itself, it has no blood supply unlike MCL.
Once you tear an ACL the only way to repair it is to have surgery done.
I bet you've now completly torn your ACL.
Now it's time to visit ortho.
na not 2 weeks. Look at my first post. I basically gave it 7 weeks from when I tore it the first time. Ortho told me to give it 4 and I gave it 7.
You might have just torn your meniscus this time. Happened to me playing hockey about 1.5 months ago. If I put pressure on my knee at an angle (like cross my legs) slide tackle, or even do a deke, it feels like my knee cap got jammed between my bones. I gotta roll it back into place or something. I dunno. First time it happened my knee was super swollen for two weeks, and I couldn't even straighten my leg while lying down for at least a week. Same story with you?

Lol, I played footy for the second time since my injury (back to back days), saw my friend do like 4 rainbows effortlessly in a row, and I thought, "dude, I still can't do that.". My buddies like "try". I do, the ball goes over my head and fall onto the ground cause I popped my knee flicking the ball up :lol: At least I finally did it :p

No wonder my coach always told me just to run and not deke :P
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Post by orzel10 » Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:51 pm

I have a torn acl in my left knee as well. How it happened was indoor soccer where a guy basically tapped me on the back of my heel and my foot hyper extended a bit as I felt a sharp pain in my knee. There was no loud pop as others have noted. I came off, tried going back and play but there was too much pain. The next day my knee was really sore but not swollen. Weeks went by as it got better but stupid me I went to play again and felt another sharp pain as I turned. Then few weeks after that I decided to see a doctor who sent me in for MRI and the worse thing happened when they told me my acl was completely torn like a celery stick snapping. So what I think it happened was first I partially tore it and then completely tore it the second time.

Now it has been 3 years since this happened. Now I'm 32, I still play but wear a brace which is not the best feel. My knee doesn't move and is quite strong since other side muscles in my knee are strong. I don't know if I should get it fixed or not because I don't know if it's worth it, recovery and physio for 6 months. Plus I'm scared of surgeries especially if they give you epidural. I think that's what they do.
I hope that when I'm older I can walk properly and do every day things normally, but I'm still debating.

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Post by DoM_GuDo » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:05 pm

Ive had knee reconstructions on both knees (both ACL completely torn) and while i'd like to get back into playing, i'd really have to knuckle down with rehab which i really don't have the time for.

when my first knee went, i got back into the game way too early and thats why the second knee went in.

after the second reco i played a little bit here and there and it still gave me problems (would pop out to put me out of action for a while) so now i guess i just have to come to terms with not every playing again...

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